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Internship Pacer Groups: A New Way for Full-Time MBAs to Reach Their Goals

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The Internship Pacer Group program at Rice Business offers personalized guidance, peer support and expert insights to help Full-Time MBAs navigate the recruiting journey and land roles tailored to their aspirations.

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Internship Pacer Program - Rice MBA - Recruiting Support
Shelley Richard, Associate Director of Career Education and Advising

Internships are a cornerstone of the Full-Time MBA experience at Rice Business. They provide students with opportunities to explore industries, gain hands-on experience and refine career goals — tailored to each student’s unique journey.

Landing an Internship Doesn’t Have To Be Difficult.

To help students navigate the recruiting process, our Career Development Office (CDO) recently launched the Internship Pacer Group program. While students pursuing internships in industries like consulting and finance benefit from defined recruiting timelines, the pacer group program is specifically designed to guide Full-Time MBA students through the recruiting processes of industries with less structured timelines. The new program helps foster accountability and a sense of community in what can otherwise be a solitary and ambiguous journey.

What Are Internship Pacer Groups?

Much like pacers in a marathon, these groups help students stay on track, build momentum and correct course as they aspire to reach their recruiting goals. Through 11 workshops, the Internship Pacer Group program supports students pursuing careers in high-demand industries such as:

  • Corporate finance
  • Energy and renewables
  • Healthcare
  • Real estate
  • Tech
  • Venture capital
  • Private equity

Each workshop allows MBAs to strategize with peers, advisors and industry professionals, empowering them throughout the recruitment process.

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Key Benefits for Students Include:

  • Expert Guidance: Each group is led by CDO career advisors, with guest appearances from alumni and club leaders who share insights and inspiration.
  • Regular Check-ins: Meetings provide a space to share progress, highlight upcoming recruiting events and celebrate wins — all while helping students stay accountable to personal goals.
  • Strategic Planning: Students choose groups aligned with their recruiting goals to encourage a concurrent career plan, helping them maximize opportunities in a highly competitive market.
  • Community Support: The groups foster connection, creating a space for participants to offer encouragement, share networking resources and learn that they’re not alone in the process.

For many students, Internship Pacer Groups bridge the gap between individual coaching and peer collaboration, offering a structured yet flexible framework for success. By pairing these sessions with one-on-one coaching, participants can craft a robust strategy that balances ambition with focus.

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Pedro Morales, Rice MBA
Pedro Antonio Morales, Rice MBA 

“The Internship Pacer Group brings in alumni who share their own experiences of being in our shoes, showing that nervousness is normal and success is indeed achievable,” shared Pedro Antonio Morales ’26. “It keeps us accountable and provides clarity on career paths, making it highly valuable.”

Looking Ahead

Our Career Development Office offers a wide range of personalized resources — across all major industries, functions and geographies. And as industries evolve, students can count on the CDO to provide relevant and high-touch counseling to help them reach their goals.

Whether MBAs are pursuing more structured roles or exploring paths in emerging or nontraditional fields, our CDO team works hard to ensure students have the right tools and strategies to succeed. Initiatives like the Internship Pacer Group program strengthen individual career journeys and the Rice Business community as a whole.

 

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Your Politics Could Be the Reason You Love (or Hate) Your Latest Purchase

Research shows that conservatives are generally more satisfied with their purchases than liberals. But why?
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Research shows that conservatives are generally more satisfied with their purchases than liberals. But why?

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Two soda cans: one blue, one red

Based on research by Vikas Mittal (Rice Business), Daniel Fernandes (Catholic University of Portugal), Nailya Ordabayeva (Dartmouth), Kyuhong Han (Korea University) and Jihye Jung (UT – San Antonio)

Key findings:

  • Across nine studies, conservatives consistently reported higher satisfaction with purchases than liberals.
  • Experimental manipulation reducing belief in free will decreased conservatives’ satisfaction, while focusing liberals on positive past purchases increased theirs.
  • Conservatives’ higher satisfaction led to an increase in recommendations and repeat purchases across multiple industries.

 
Imagine you've just ordered a coffee at that new place down the street. As you take the first sip, your satisfaction with it would seem tied with flavor, drink price and quality of service.

But what if your political beliefs also play a role in how satisfied you are with your purchase? And, if so, why? Until now, answers to these question have been unclear.

Previous studies have examined the influence of political identity on consumer preferences and choices, but its impact on product satisfaction has been unclear. According to new research, liberals and conservatives experience consumer satisfaction in profoundly different ways.

Belief in Free Will Impacts Satisfaction

In a paper published in the Journal of Marketing, a research team including Rice Business professor Vikas Mittal demonstrates that political identity plays a crucial role in shaping customer satisfaction. Across a series of experiments and surveys with more than 760,0000 customers, Mittal et al. demonstrate that conservatives are consistently more satisfied than liberals with the products and services they use.

“Our studies show that because conservatives are more likely to believe in free will and put more trust in their decision-making, they tend to be more satisfied with their purchase choices,” Mittal says.

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To arrive at their findings, the researchers conducted nine experiments — a mix of controlled lab tests plus analyses of real-world data across a variety of industries. The first study asked 412 adults to share their political ideology and rate their satisfaction with a purchase they made over the last two years that cost at least $30. Researchers also measured the participants’ belief in free will and found that that political identity affected customer satisfaction.

In subsequent lab experiments, the researchers aimed to reduce study participants’ belief in free will. They did this by presenting them with scientific evidence suggesting that behavior is determined by situational factors rather than personal choice. The researchers discovered that after this intervention, conservative customer satisfaction declined. Conservatives were also less satisfied when given fewer choices — effectively lowering the perception of free will.

Liberal consumers, for their part, became more satisfied when the researchers encouraged them to focus on a past purchase that turned out well rather than one that went poorly.

 

“Our findings suggest that customer satisfaction isn’t just about product quality,” Mittal states. “It’s deeply influenced by psychological and social factors like political beliefs. This opens up new ways for companies to think about how they engage with their customers.”

 

Translating Identity Into Brand Loyalty

These results are important at a societal level. Consumption is an integral part of people’s lived experience. To the extent that people’s political identity affects their satisfaction with consumption, people’s loyalty to brands, their buying patterns and eventual sales may be determined by their politics, not just by the objective performance of products. Most companies believe that the quality of products and services they sell is critical to their success — but this research shows that their success may also depend on who’s buying. 

The researchers validated these results with several real-world datasets, looking at Yelp restaurant reviews, customer surveys from the San Francisco International Airport, healthcare insurer ratings, and surveys on B2B managers’ opinions of their suppliers. Specifically, they showed that customer satisfaction not only predicted actual sales but also how likely people were to recommend their purchase to other people or to buy it again themselves.

To increase the results’ applicability for businesses, Mittal and colleagues inferred political identities from many different measures including county-level U.S. presidential election data, peoples’ news sources (FOX versus CNN), the political party to which they belong and voting behavior.

Their core hypothesis held true across all measures of political identity and in multiple industries: conservatives were consistently more satisfied than liberals.

Satisfaction is About More Than Product Quality

The findings offer practical takeaways on how to improve customer satisfaction, which is essential to having repeat customers, building loyal followers and boosting sales. Indeed, conservatives’ higher customer satisfaction was associated with them recommending products and services more to friends and family and buying more themselves, and ultimately to increased sales.

To boost satisfaction for conservative customers, managers could highlight the wide array of available options, plus customers’ freedom of choice and agency at the time of purchase. For example, “You have many options, and we are proud that you chose us.” 

And for liberal customers, managers could highlight the extent of customers’ prior experience or expertise. For example, “We’re proud to deliver a product that continues to meet your standards.”

Managers could also expect the link between political identity and satisfaction to be stronger in industries that have higher levels of competition and, more options, as well as industries that are more likely to result in unpleasant customer experiences, like healthcare or air travel.

Finally, study results have implications for public policy. To increase participation in efforts like COVID-19 vaccination, policymakers could attempt to appeal to conservatives’ greater perception of free will and of personal responsibility to help motivate them to act.

“Our findings suggest that customer satisfaction isn’t just about product quality,” Mittal states. “It’s deeply influenced by psychological and social factors like political beliefs. This opens up new ways for companies to think about how they engage with their customers.”

 

Mittal, et al (2022). “How Political Identity Shapes Customer Satisfaction,” Journal of Marketing.


 

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Tommy Pan Fang Named Top Undergraduate Business Professor by Poets&Quants

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Tommy Pan Fang, assistant professor of strategic management at Rice Business, has been named to Poets&Quants’ list of 50 Best Undergraduate Professors. Pan Fang was chosen from among 1,000 nominations, and at age 30, he is one of the youngest professors on the list.

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Tommy Pan Fang, Assistant Professor of Strategic Management

Tommy Pan Fang, assistant professor of strategic management at Rice Business, has been named to Poets&Quants’ list of 50 Best Undergraduate Professors. Pan Fang was chosen from among 1,000 nominations, and at age 30, he is one of the youngest professors on the list, which represents 43 schools, including five international institutions.

Pan Fang, who teaches classes at the newly named Virani Undergraduate School of Business and the Jones Graduate School of Business, knew he wanted to teach when he observed how research and teaching at the undergraduate level can influence the future of business. “I saw how business research could reveal new insights that excite students and shape the future of business,” says Pan Fang. “During my doctoral studies, I became passionate about exploring the dynamic relationship between technology and strategy. Teaching lets me share these discoveries with future leaders, inspiring them to think critically and make informed decisions that could drive meaningful changes in industry.”

Pan Fang researches novel organizational forms that promote collaboration and innovation. “For example, I’ve studied hackathons — temporary gatherings that tech companies can strategically use to drive platform adoption and recombination,” says Pan Fang. “Hackathons stand out because they blend competition with collaboration. Although teams may technically compete, these events foster an open environment where developers exchange insights, build new skills and observe which tools gain traction within the community.”

Collaboration and hands-on experience resonate with Pan Fang as a professor, and he values undergraduate students' desire to see business theory in action. “My focus is on hands-on learning,” says Pan Fang. “I constantly experiment with different methods to make concepts come to life. I use simulations, business cases and interactive projects in the classroom to help students engage with material in a way that feels real and relevant. By exploring different approaches, I aim to help students understand theories and see how they play out in real business situations, hopefully preparing them to handle the complexities they’ll face in their careers.”

The editorial team at Poets&Quants evaluated each nomination. Every professor was assigned a 1-to-10 score based on both their research and teaching accolades. Tommy Pan Fang is the second Rice Business professor to grace this list from Poets&Quants, joining Minjae Kim, assistant professor of management, who made the list in 2022.

 

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Pivoting with Purpose feat. Will Eldridge ’17

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Will chats with guest host Brian Jackson 21 about his experience in our MAcc program, his pivot to strategy consulting and the importance of mentorship.

 

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Owl Have You Know is pleased to welcome Twice-Rice grad Will Eldridge – a consultant at Bain & Company and the president-elect of the Rice Business Alumni Association Board.

Will earned his bachelor of science in civil and environmental engineering at Rice in 2017. But after an impactful experience with MAcc program director Ben Lansford, he decided to pivot to accounting. Will went on to work at Deloitte as a senior auditor for oil and gas clients, before deciding to go back to school again for his MBA at Chicago Booth.

Will chats with Owl Have You Know guest host Brian Jackson ’21 about his path from accounting to strategy consulting, the importance of mentorship, and why board service has given him a way to give back to his community in fulfilling ways.

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  • [00:00]Maya: Welcome to Owl Have You Know, a podcast from Rice Business. This episode is part of our Pivot Series, where guests share stories of transformation in their lives and careers.

    [00:12]Brian: Welcome, everyone. I'm Brian Jackson, today's guest host on the Owl Have You Know Podcast. And I'm thrilled to interview Will Eldridge. I've gotten to know Will over the last three years serving on the Rice Business Alumni Association Board and now on the Executive Committee, as he's the current president-elect of the board.

    Will, you're a twice Rice grad with degrees in engineering and accounting, then went on to get an MBA at Chicago Booth, and now you're making an impact at Bain & Co. My voice may not be ready for primetime, probably better suited for conference calls, but with a career path as fascinating as yours, Will, I've got to ask, do you have a favorite chapter in all these pivots, or are you still writing it?

    [00:53]Will: Brian, it's great to be here. I'll say, for what it's worth, I think you definitely have the voice for podcasting. So, don't sell yourself short. As far as the pivoting goes, yeah, I would say my favorite pivot has been the original to the MAcc Program at the Jones School. Actually, I was a student in engineering and I actually applied to Ryerson Economics. They didn't have the business major that the Jones School currently has. But figuring out what I wanted to do was exploring the technical side of engineering. And while I really enjoyed it, did figure out I didn't want to be a practicing engineer. And through taking some accounting classes and meeting with Ben Lansford, who is the original and, to this day, program director of the MAcc, found my way into the world of accounting. And it was a great transition and really speaks to the program that Jones has brought back with the MAcc program, which is a pivot for almost everyone, right? Anyone from any background besides accounting can find their way to that next chapter. And I’m still riding the wave a little bit, as you say, but that was definitely the favorite one for me.

    [02:00]Brian: That's great. So, tell me about Ben Lansford. You know, what type of impact did he have on you? Are there any memories from your time in the program that really stick out?

    [02:08]Will: Yeah, of course. Ben is this amazing dad figure for a lot of us who found our way to the MAcc. I say that because he has these great dad jokes, but he also helps a lot of people find their way and is someone who has made accounting, which gets a bad rap in a lot of circles, you know, the favorite class that some people take. I've heard it from MBA students, that, you know, it's one of their best classes they've taken with him for MAcc students, that he's one of the best teachers they've had in his managerial accounting class.

    And, you know, when they announced bringing this program back to Rice, there were no current or former students to speak to but Ben Lansford had been hired. And I got coffee with him, I remember, and started talking about the program, the opportunities. And it was just a great connection that I know he's made with a lot of the students going through the program. And he really helped me understand how I could marry my current background with a master's degree in accounting and make that transition, despite having not a lot of accounting experience yet and gave me that confidence to make the transition.

    [03:02]Brian: Yeah. And I guess, when you're making a big change, the confidence is everything, right? And you did it having, you know, the experience and exposure from Rice. So, I guess, going back a little further, you know, why did you pick Rice for undergrad and then stick with it for the additional program through MAcc?

    [03:18]Will: You know, it's, kind of, unfounded. At first, I grew up in the neighborhood, going to some Rice baseball games and wanted to go to Rice without really knowing why until I was looking at colleges and seeing it had the highest quality of life when I was applying, the happiest students. And it was an amazing academic institution with a lot of flexibility. People could change majors. You have the humanities, you have engineering, you have the social sciences. And that was very appealing to me as someone who was a little torn between the business and economics and more technical side on engineering.

    As far as figuring out my path from engineering to the MAcc program, I, like a lot of people in their major, maybe you do an internship, maybe you learn a little bit more about the career path stemming from that and figure out it's not where you want to go as the next step in your career. And as one of those people, I started exploring other options besides civil and environmental engineering. Took a couple of accounting classes and realized I was decent at it and didn't hate it as much as most people.

    So, it was actually a pretty good fit. And once I talked to Lansford about the opportunities in this program, started doing some research on working as a Big Four accountant, networking with those firms and applying for internships, I found myself on a path I was very excited about. And then, later on, in this community in Rice Business, beyond my four years as a Rice undergrad, that I was just so lucky to find and be a part of.

    [05:00]Brian: So, you graduate, you have your master in accounting, and then you begin working at Deloitte. What was your experience like there? What were the main lessons?

    [05:09]Will: Yeah. So, I absolutely love my time at Deloitte. I can't say enough great things about that firm and the company and the people there. And from day one, they tell you, you know, “Our product is the people that we have. We're a professional services company.” And when I joined the firm, I learned a ton. I mean, it was my first full-time job. I had an internship with them, but as anyone who has worked in public accounting will tell you, an internship in the summer compared to a full-time job in busy season, those are just worlds apart, which I don't advise people to do. Don't start in busy season if you're going down this path. But I started there, drinking from the fire hose, and just got up to speed very quickly on what it is we bring to our clients, how we work with them. I had a little bit the perception of, the auditor is here in a compliance role, and there's some tension with your clients. And really, you're there working together, trying to help them report things the proper way, get through any hurdles together.

    You know, I want to find nothing. Ideally, you know, if everything's smooth sailing for you, it's smooth sailing for me. So, that was something I learned along the way. But just a phenomenal company, the learnings of working in audit and helping companies comply with regulations and document, their financials and their controls is just an amazing learning curve that you climb up and ramp up quickly.

    [06:32]Brian: So, I was thinking, like, in terms of client management, you know, having worked in the trenches, right, you've joined conversations where folks think you're out to find the one missed numeric and decimal point that's been misplaced, how do you change that perception and really make it more of a symbiotic relationship?

    [06:53]Will: It's a good question that we constantly fight as auditors or as a former auditor. The perception that we're the enemy is tough sometimes. People don't want the auditor knocking on the door. And I made a huge effort to befriend and get to know the clients that I was working with beyond, obviously, the financial reporting pieces I needed from them, which made them more willing to help me and understand. And then just align our incentives. Sometimes, they don't necessarily have the full picture that, “You legally have to be audited. But as far as that goes, I really want to help us get through this as smoothly as possible. And if we work together and you trust me, I'm happy to make this as little work for you as possible. You know, I will take on more of that burden.”

    So, gaining their trust in that way and just making them understand that, “We're on the same side. We want this to be as little work as possible and as smooth as possible.” Obviously, we have rules and regulations we're following and have to follow areas. We have to dig deeper. But a lot of clients are very happy when they figure that out. And you said, “Oh, you know, the auditors, they're just doing their job and we're, kind of, on the same side.”

    [08:04]Brian: That's great. So, you know, you're in this high-stress environment, you're working through the cycles of high and low, and you decide, “Okay, I want to go get my MBA.” What was the moment that triggered that? But then, you know, what was the goal? What were you trying to head towards?

    [08:23]Will: You know, I don't remember a specific moment, but I will say I figured that I loved the client service aspect of the job I was in. I, at some point, figured out the accounting and financial reporting path wasn't what I wanted to do long term but I wanted to stay in client service. Did some exploring. I actually circled back to the Center for Career Development at Rice, reaching out to them to talk about different paths to explore and spoke to some other alums. Figured out I wanted to go into strategy consulting, so a bit more of results-oriented work, in some ways, but keeping that analysis piece that I had learned as an auditor when we're looking at trends. And with that, I figured out the best way to do that would be to go to business school to set myself up for that recruiting process and eventuality. So, I made a huge change from, you know, my dear swamp, that it's Houston that I love so much, to the coldest big city in the country, aside from Minneapolis. And as I went up to Chicago, I had a lot of concern from family and friends, because even among the people here in Houston, I am someone who likes it really hot.

    [09:36]Brian: So, you did a two-year program in Chicago. And at the same time, you were serving on the Rice Business Alumni Association Board, correct?

    [09:46]Will: That's right.

    [09:47]Brian: You're on the Rice Business Alumni Association Board. Concurrently, you're serving as president of the Awty International School Alumni Board. Tell me about, kind of, what has driven you to volunteer and, in particular, you know, focusing on these alumni networks.

    [10:02]Will: Yeah, it's funny. My dad is someone who's quite involved in volunteership and nonprofit board service. And he has served on the Awty Board of Trustees back in the day. He serves as the chairman for the French American Chamber of Commerce of Texas and the Humanities Advisory Board at Rice actually as well.

    So, I had always seen him in some of these roles. And he had encouraged me to be open to these opportunities. And it's not something that I knew I wanted to do, but when I was approached from the head of advancement at Awty about joining their alumni board, you know, he really encouraged me to take that step and lean into it, hoping that it would be a great fit for me, based on what he knew about me, and he couldn't have been more right. And it's something that I love doing. I find it extremely rewarding to give back to these institutions that have invested in me and to bring people together who share something in a community, whether it's a direct connection of being in the school at the same time or having common career interests and finding that link later on. So, it's really just a way to get back that is very meaningful to me based on, you know, what these institutions and people who have come before me have invested in me.

    [11:15]Brian: I think it's a great perspective and, like, giving back. And, you know, in a selfish way, too, there is, like, an added benefit to volunteering in these external organizations, right? Like, you learn how to be a leader, how to work across different industries and, you know, communicate with folks of all different class years and backgrounds. Like, that is a skill that we're able to, kind of, push. And we get to find out new strengths and new weaknesses and develop those. You know, having been on the board now for three years, being president-elect now, I'd be curious about, going into next year when your term starts in July, you know, what strength are you going to really leverage? And what do you hope to, maybe, expand on?

    [11:58]Will: I would love to leverage the strength of mentorship. I care deeply about sharing my experiences with those who can benefit from learning about a chapter that's still yet to come for them that I have already been through. And that's something that I think we have amazing opportunities to get back the board and the CDO at Jones.

    As far as expanding, maybe some more direct tools that we can assist students with, whether it be the Alumni in Residence Program that the CDO has, where we're connecting people to have conversations that can take a mentorship angle or a networking angle, or helping Rice Consulting rev on their new casebook and their networks that they form as a consulting group to help each other prepare for interviews. I think there are a lot of ways that we can get back there, and there's a huge willingness to get back in the community. So, all of that, with the overarching idea of making it easy for people to give back. And as long as it's easy for people to get back, I know that the Rice community is always there for the next wave of people coming through.

    [13:09]Brian: That's such a great perspective. And I do think, like, all of what you're describing is wisdom, which is the compound interest of experience and you've gone through it. You've benefited from, you know, folks reaching out and these great conversations with alumni. So, I'd be curious, you know, in looking at consulting, when I think of it, all I think are the buzzwords. “Let's circle back. Let's pouch this. I'm over my skis.” I could probably think of 15 more. But, you know, what does your day-to-day look like? And, you know, if you had advice for someone thinking about pivoting into consulting, what would you recommend?

    [13:46]Will: That's a good question, you know, the candid day-to-day, it's… the most consulting answer I could give you would be, it depends. But the days are long, usually, Monday through Thursday. Fridays are shorter. And usually, you have some other meetings and investments in extra 10, as we call them at Bain, affinity groups, fun at Bain, community service. And, you know, Monday through Thursday, you're often at the client site or at a different office co-locating with your team. There's a split of conversations with clients, turning materials, answer sessions throughout the day. And you generally start and end your day with a team huddle.

    So, it's a very fast-paced way of working, where, twice a day, you're really giving an update on your work stream and your work product and revving immediately, you know, between the AM sync and the PM sync, and then the PM sync and some night work, and then the next day's AM sync.

    So, advice on how to make the most of consulting, if you're going to pivot there, would be to work hard and be a sponge. The opportunities for learning are just abundant. You will learn at such a fast pace from the people around you and the words you get to do. And I think the process of having to turn materials and move things along and push forward on what is the driving answer on your different work streams really lends itself to this culture of learning and accelerated growth.

    [15:23]Brian: That's great. So, you've been at Bain almost a year now.

    [15:26]Will: That's right. It feels like longer, I will say it.

    [15:30]Brian: So, in that time, and you could probably use high-level details, but what has been your most challenging project? And how have you navigated through it?

    [15:40]Will: I think, at the beginning, I struggled with, on my first project, some ambiguity. Sometimes, you have a big task and it's hard to figure out at the beginning, how am I going to break this down and move this forward? And work plan for the next, you know, two or three weeks, what are all the parts of this work that have to happen? And looking to the future and coming up with an answer on what is going to happen, your hypothesis on what the core answer will be, or what needs to happen is really hard. And that's why companies hire us to come in and figure it out — because it's difficult. And it's one of the hardest parts of the job. And, you know, if it's something you've learned to, even if there's ambiguity and you don't know for certain, you gain some comfort with giving your best shot and coming up with a rationale to defend whatever it is you're putting forward. If my manager asks me, “Okay, but why, or why did you pick this or put this on the page,” anything that you've put forth, you need to have a way to back up and explain. And that rationalization skill and mindset has really helped me with the ambiguity, which is a challenging piece.

    [16:52]Brian: So, you're often having to present these complex challenging, you know, issues and give a solution in a way that's incredibly clear, right? Beyond being clear in what you're saying, you've also got to have some credibility with them, right?

    [17:09]Will: Mm-hmm.

    [17:09]Brian: And I was just curious, like, what skills do you really draw upon to buy that credibility with your clients?

    [17:16]Will: For one, approaching whatever you're presenting to them with a mindset of context reset, you're deep in the details, and it's hard to sometimes pull up and look at the work that you're presenting and remember the limited context that your client might have and how much else they have going on. So, there's definitely a level of empathizing that is really critical. And so, to put yourself in their shoes and think, you know, what are they coming at this from? What do they care about? What do they need to get out of this? And what is the one or two things they should take away from this conversation, is a good frame of mind to take. I took a leadership class at Booth where we talked specifically about empathizing and putting yourself in the shoes of those you work with. And we had some workshops in that class that have definitely helped me in the consulting role.

    [18:09]Brian: That's great. So, Will, you're a native Houstonian, you grew up here, but you attended the Awty International School. Could you tell me a bit about the genesis of that?

    [18:18]Will: Sure. You know, my maternal grandmother is from France and came over after the war. I would have to say hi to her on here, of course. I know she’s listening. Bonjour, Simone. Merci pour tout.

    And it was really important to my mom that we preserve that French heritage. So, I had the good fortune of being enrolled in the Awty School's French program. And I don't think it was ever the plan for me to stay as long as I did. But, you know, found this amazingly rich international and francophone community there that, obviously, myself, my brother, we had a great time. And my family, as a whole, just really leaned in and loved that school and community. And I was lucky enough to take all my classes in French through middle school.

    [19:02]Brian: Do you have your internal monologue in English, or is it in French?

    [19:05]Will: You know, it's in English. And we spoke English at home, but I do dream in French, still, at decent amount. And certain math, I still do in French in my head, funny enough.

    [19:20]Brian: So, when's the last time you were in Paris? I know we were talking a few days ago about the Rice campus there. Have you been?

    [19:27]Will: You know, I haven't. And so, while the last time I was there was last winter, I think you and I need to go as soon as possible. Maybe next week we hop over to Paris. Yeah, I actually went on exchange to study at HEC in my second winter at Booth. So, I had a really nice time living in Paris and going to HEC for a few months, which I'd always wanted to do study abroad. Not something I managed to do as an undergrad. And, you know, second bite of the apple made it happen. I have yet to make it to the campus, but I have lived in the neighborhood it's in and walked by, actually, the block it's on. So, I am extremely eager to go and super proud of Rice for taking that step internationally for their presence in Paris. And can't wait to check it out with you sometime, man.

    [20:13]Brian: Yeah, I know. We've got to plan an excursion. So, maybe, we can put a motion before the board.

    [20:19]Will: Let's go. I will be our tour guide in the moraine. Show us around.

    [20:23]Brian: You'll have to be my translator, too, because I am awful in any foreign language. It should be illegal for me to even drive.

    [20:31]Will: No, no. [French 20:32].

    [20:36]Brian: I have no idea what you said. Hopefully, it was nice. So, Will, I've been able to get to know you through the Rice Business Alumni Association Board. To me, the 19 members on there are, you know, fantastic. They're enthusiastic about Rice Business. They're excited about the future, and they're constantly trying to find ways to, you know, bolster the value of the school to the alumni community. I think you and I get to stand on the shoulders of some really great leaders, you know, Tracy, Tim, looking at David Holmes right now, who's the current president. From this experience and exposure and watching these other great people continue to contribute back to the school, you know, what's driving your commitment to stay on the board? And what excites you about the future of Rice Business?

    [21:25]Will: Yeah. I mean, there's a lot to excite me about it. I will say my first original exposure to Rice Business and some of these people was when I was working at the Pub at Rice, at Willy's Pub in the basement across from the Jones School. And MBA Happy Hour, let me tell you, that's the best shift for anyone at the pub. And we were saying, these people who are tipping $2 on a $2 beer, they are making serious money. But it was funny. I actually did recognize several of the board members we've had the pleasure of working with from, serving them, and just chatting with them across the bar there.

    In terms of joining the board and getting to work with these people, it's something I never knew that I was going to love so much and become such a part of my life. I was also extremely fortunate to have a mentor through all this and a close friend who's my dad. And my dad has served on many boards in his time. And it's something I always knew he did, but didn't really fully understand. But, you know, he's chaired the Humanities Advisory Board at Rice, the French-American Chamber of Commerce Board in Texas, and served on the Awty International School Board of Trustees back in the day, too. So, whenever I've been going through these steps, he was always someone I could turn to for advice and could help me figure out how to lean in a little deeper and encourage me to keep giving back even when I felt really stretched with work. And so, I've been extremely lucky.

    It's been amazing to find this community of people who care so deeply and make it a priority in their lives to get back. And getting to see people excited about their passions, the way that our alumni board has carved out ways for people that didn't exist to get back in the ways that they're passionate about, has been really inspiring. And that's something that I want to keep doing and have taken with me to other alumni boards that I've worked with and, you know, gotten people to volunteer by encouraging them to recognize, “If you're passionate about something, we will help find a way for you to get back in that way.” And that's been one of my favorite things about the group of people we work with on the board.

    [23:33]Brian: So, Will, you've finished business school. You made the pivot. And, you know, a lot of my classmates, even myself included, like, you go to business school to do a course correction. I would love just any advice you would offer for folks, you know, in the early stages, maybe about to apply and are thinking of this career two, three years away where they may end up going. What would you recommend?

    [23:57]Will: I would say, keep your eyes on the prize right in front of you. Of course, do what you need to do to get to the one chapter out that you've come to business school to get to. But more broadly, if you can, look a little further. Try to think two chapters out. I think it's extremely valuable and something that pays off in the long run. So, if you're pivoting, you know, don't be afraid to think, “Well, not just where am I going now, but where might I want to be later?” You know, in my case, I've just started with Bain. And it's amazing. And I hope to ride it out. But something I've always thought of, given being from the energy capital of the world and half French, is, you know, the French energy ecosystem here. You know, it's something that I would like to tap into at some point. There are ample opportunities in Houston to work in that sphere. And that's something that I've thought of two steps out as well.

    [24:54]Brian: That's great. And I have no doubt that you will be successful once you get there. So, I think we can take it to a different angle here. I've heard that you have a passion for crafting classic cocktails. I have yet to enjoy one of these classic cocktails. If you had to pick one that matched your personality, which would you choose, and why?

    [25:16]Will: Well, you're definitely overdue. So, we'll grab one here shortly after this episode. My favorite cocktail is the Sazerac. And it is from Louisiana, New Orleans. It is a hybrid of, you know, American and French culture, just like myself, a little American rye whiskey and some French absinthe. And, you know, you throw a few back and you're going to have a good time, you know. And if you're spending a lot of time with me, we're going to have some fun. I promise that. So, big fan of the Sazerac, and I will make you one anytime.

    [25:49]Brian: You've got a deal. I want to thank you, Will, for joining us on the Owl Have You Know Podcast and for letting me be your guest host. It's been such an honor and just a ton of fun. I think, you know, even working together for three years, there's always more that I learn about you where it's like, “This guy has got so many interesting parts to his background.” So, I appreciate you sharing and the advice you gave, and yeah.

    [26:14]Will: Brian, thank you so much. It's been an honor and pleasure being here. Couldn't have asked for a better person to have this conversation with.

    [26:20]Brian: I'm looking forward to that Sazerac.

    [26:26]Maya: Thanks for listening. This has been Owl Have You Know, a production of Rice Business. You can find more information about our guests, hosts, and announcements on our website, business.rice.edu. Please subscribe and leave a rating wherever you find your favorite podcasts. We'd love to hear what you think. The hosts of Owl Have You Know are myself, Maya Pomroy, and Scott Gale.

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Q&A With a Rice Business Board Fellow

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Curious how serving on a nonprofit board can boost your leadership skills? Rice Business Board Fellow Jordyn-Marie Dudley shares how her fellowship allowed her to give back to the Houston community while shaping her career at NASA.

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Becoming a Rice Business Board Fellow offers MBAs a unique opportunity to gain hands-on experience in nonprofit management. Students are matched with local organizations and learn valuable leadership skills as non-voting board members through the year-long experiential learning program.

Meet Jordyn-Marie Dudley, a PMBA student who recently served as a board fellow with nonprofit hair care organization Have Shears Will Travel. She discusses the value in serving others and giving back to the community while reaching for the stars professionally.

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What inspired you to become a board fellow?

I applied to Rice Business Board Fellows for an opportunity to engage with the local Houston community while learning about nonprofit management. I’m also interested in leading my own community initiative someday.

Tell us about Have Shears Will Travel, the nonprofit you matched with.

Have Shears Will Travel is a nonprofit hair care ministry that provides free services to people experiencing homelessness or hardship in Houston. The organization uses a mobile RV salon, allowing them to serve people across the city. This year, they also launched Shear Success to provide barber and cosmetology training to the community with affordable tuition, payment options and scholarship opportunities.

What were some of your primary responsibilities as a board fellow?

During my time with Have Shears Will Travel, I attended quarterly board meetings and offered suggestions for marketing the organization’s activities. I also helped update materials to collect donations and advertise services for both Have Shears Will Travel and Shear Success. This experience allowed me to consider business frameworks from the perspective of a smaller grassroots nonprofit organization, since many of the case studies we review in my MBA classes typically focus on large for-profit companies.

Overall, it has been an incredibly rewarding experience and I have enjoyed working with the founder, volunteers and stylists. The group’s shared commitment to the organization and its mission is inspiring. I recently visited Shear Success after its ribbon cutting in September, and it was so exciting to see the vision become a reality after learning about the work that went into this new initiative.

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What is your current role?

I work as a government contractor for Amentum at NASA Johnson Space Center. I am a planetary scientist and project manager supporting the Mars Sample Return Sample Receiving Project, and my team is currently performing research and development to prepare to receive and curate the first samples returned from Mars.

What motivated you to pursue your MBA at Rice Business?

I learn best from hands-on work and real-world applications. Rice Business offers many experiential learning opportunities, like the Global Field Experience, Rice Business Board Fellows and The Washington Campus residency intensive, which drew me to the MBA program. Before coming to Rice, I studied chemistry and planetary science and performed academic research for most of my career. Since beginning my MBA at Rice Business, I have gained new perspectives on organizational strategy, operations, project planning and the intersection between business, government and policy.

What are your post-MBA plans?

I’m starting a new role as section manager for curation collections at NASA Johnson Space Center. I will transition from preparing for Mars Sample Return to leading a team of curators and scientists who help support NASA’s current collections of extraterrestrial materials — including samples from the sun, moon, Mars, asteroids, comets, other stars and space-exposed hardware. I look forward to applying the concepts and skills I learned at Rice Business to my new role!

Any advice for MBAs considering becoming a Board Fellow?

Once you are matched with an organization, think about how your skills and hobbies can best support them. During my fellowship, I applied creative skills from my background as an artist and data analysis skills from my career as a scientist to develop marketing and advertising suggestions, even though they were very different from the projects in my current role.

As a student at Rice Business, you’ll receive many opportunities to foster personal and professional growth. Jordyn-Marie’s experiences with the Rice Business Board Fellows program exemplify the impact you can have in the community.

 

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The hidden cost of working across time zones

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Remote work lets people live where they want, but ‘time shifting’ can put a strain on team collaboration and communication.

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Remote work lets people live where they want, but ‘time shifting’ can put a strain on team collaboration and communication.

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Remote working tools like Zoom and Slack have been around for more than a decade, but it wasn’t until the COVID-19 pandemic that remote work really took off. Since then, work-from-anywhere arrangements have allowed more workers to perform their jobs from the places they want to live, whether that is nearer to friends and family or in a resort town in the Rocky Mountains.  

“Some companies now advertise job vacancies by time zone rather than geographical location,” says Tommy Pan Fang, assistant professor of strategic management at Rice University’s Jones Graduate School of Business. “In one sense, it is a win-win: Companies deepen their talent pool, and workers have more opportunity. But living in one time zone while working in another can affect the way employees communicate and collaborate.”

The research, “Working Around the Clock: Temporal Distance, Intrafirm Communication, and Time Shifting of the Employee Workday,” by Fang, Harvard University’s Prithwiraj Choudhury and Georgetown University’s Jasmina Chauvin, found that strategically aligning employees along a North-South axis could improve team productivity.

“An East-West distribution of workers could be fine for teams that perform routine tasks,” Fang said. “But when projects depend on synchronous collaboration and communication, a firm might benefit from intentionally aligning workers along a shared time zone.”

The impacts of temporal distance

If team members are distributed across multiple time zones and everyone works standard business hours in the time zone where they reside, the overlap between their workdays will be less than it would if they all worked in the same time zone. Differences in working time are called “temporal distance,” and they limit the hours in which synchronous communication can take place.

Talking person-to-person in a video or phone call can play an important role in collaborative projects — speaking is usually faster and conveys tone better than emails do. If opportunities to talk with collaborators are limited, it could slow work on some projects. But it’s not clear how much this type of communication is being affected or even if synchronous communication is what is affected the most.

To address these questions, the research team analyzed communications data from more than 12,000 employees at a Fortune 100 multinational firm with operations around the globe. Published in the journal Organization Science, the research found that employees do something called “time shifting” to counteract the effect of temporal distance. This involves employees choosing to engage in work tasks or communications to accommodate varying schedules or to meet urgent demands of the job.

Time shifting can potentially impact team communication patterns, work-life balance, collaboration dynamics and project management strategy.

“Working outside of regular business hours has a cost. It can negatively affect work-life balance and has a direct impact on your personal time,” said Fang. “But workers may choose to do it anyway to meet the demands of their job.”

‘Time shifting’ and daylight saving: How workers adapt

To test the relationship between temporal distance and internal communications, Fang and his colleagues designed a study that centers on daylight saving time, a practice observed in many, but not all, parts of the world. Twice each year, clocks are adjusted by one hour — forward in spring and back in fall. But this practice varies widely, even within the same country. For example, in the United States, Arizona opts out of daylight saving, meaning they share a time zone with California for only half the year. These semiannual shifts create an opportunity to measure the difference an hour makes — before and after a time change.

The team analyzed the Outlook and Skype records of the Fortune 100 firm’s scheduled calls and meetings, unscheduled calls, instant message chats and email messages. Its employees were based on every continent except Antarctica, including numerous jurisdictions that don’t adopt daylight saving time such as India, Argentina and Malaysia. The research found that a one-hour increase in temporal distance — that is, when daylight saving time occurred in one jurisdiction but not another — reduced synchronous communication by 11%.

“This was less than we expected,” said Fang. “The loss of an hour from the workday represented a 19% loss in the overlap of business hours. So proportionally, communications went down less than opportunities to communicate did.”

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The study observed an increase in the volume of communication taking place outside of standard working hours. Workers who have strong collaborative relationships and perform tasks that are not routine were more likely to time shift. The findings raise questions about what type of work is best suited to geographic distributions that span multiple time zones.

“When an employee’s role is collaborative and nonroutine, they place a premium on synchronous communication,” said Fang. “They adjust their workday to get their job done. But not everyone is able to do this, and firms might have lower productivity because of it.”

The study also observed that not all workers time shift equally. Individual characteristics like gender and cultural context may lead to disparities in productivity and engagement. For example, women are less likely to communicate outside of business hours than men are, possibly because of the added responsibility that many women assume in home life. Employees based in jurisdictions with stricter limits on working hours are also less likely to communicate outside of working hours. And if a firm’s management places a premium on synchronous forms of communication, these differences could lead to disparities in pay and career advancement emerging over time. Fang said this suggests that firms might benefit from favoring North-South distributions of their workforce.

Chauvin, Choudhury, and Fang. “Working Around the Clock: Temporal Distance, Intrafirm Communication, and Time Shifting of the Employee Workday.” Organization Science 35.5 (2024): https://doi.org/10.1287/orsc.2023.17558.

This story originally appeared in Rice Business Wisdom and was lightly edited for Rice News.

 

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Can Hierarchy Conflict Actually Help Teams Thrive?

Disputes over workplace influence can ruffle feathers — but depending on their motivation, they can also foster growth and strength.
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Disputes over workplace influence can ruffle feathers — but depending on their motivation, they can also foster growth and strength.

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Based on research by Daan van Knippenberg (Rice Business), Maartje E. Schouten (Erasmus) and Lindred L. Greer (Michigan)

Key findings:

  • “Conflict hierarchy” happens when members of a team have disputes in competing for influence and status.
  • Academic literature on the topic tends to assume that self-interest is the primary driver.
  • Daan van Knippenberg and his colleagues suggest that hierarchy conflicts can stem from a desire to benefit the team. When driven by such prosocial motives, these conflicts are expressed more directly and with less intensity, leading to more positive team performance.

 

In every team, there is a hierarchy. And in every hierarchy, there is competition for status.

In hierarchy conflict, team members seek to differentiate themselves to acquire socially valued resources like acknowledgment and influence. Senior members of a team might jockey for leadership roles or to guide the team’s mission. Junior team members sometimes compete for even informal recognition that could set them apart from peers and accelerate their climb up the corporate ladder.

The potential costs of hierarchy conflict are well-established in academic literature. Team members who engage in it might refuse to share their knowledge, reducing the flow of information and inadvertently hindering decision-making — all to maintain an advantage over internal competition.

But research by Daan van Knippenberg (Rice Business), along with colleagues at Michigan and Erasmus University in The Netherlands, challenges conventional wisdom, arguing that hierarchy conflict isn’t always a bad thing.

“It is certainly true that there can be a tension between the interest of an individual and what is best for the team as a whole,” says van Knippenberg, the Houston Endowed Professor of Management. “Actions that serve one team member’s career goals are often not the best way to achieve the team’s mission.”

 

“When a team member is primarily motivated by this shared outcome, it could create significant differences in how hierarchy conflicts play out.”

 

When is Hierarchy Conflict Good? 

Hierarchy conflict can potentially serve the collective good, van Knippenberg and colleagues argue in the top journal Organization Science. When conflict is motivated by the broader interests of the team, it could actually improve rather than harm group performance. That’s because, in these situations, individual and team interests are aligned.

“It is a popular idea that all hierarchy conflict is bad and should be avoided at any cost,” says van Knippenberg. “But we argue that hierarchy conflict is not always self-serving, and the motivation for it could have a significant effect on its outcome.”

Consider the case of a company’s team managers competing for resources on an upcoming project. Each of the managers seeks to gain the favor of company executives so that resources will be allocated to their team. It is possible — even probable — that some of these managers are motivated by self-interest. After all, promotions and bonuses are given to people who show they can seal the deal.

But the managers could also earnestly believe their teams will make the most of those resources — that they really are best positioned to perform for the benefit of the firm.

The Motivation for Conflict is Key

To explore why people have different motivations in conflict over status or hierarchy, van Knippenberg and his team used something called interdependence theory. This theory suggests that it’s natural for people to have “pro-self” motivations and act in ways that focus on their own interests. Interdependence theory also argues that people can, at the same time, have “prosocial” motivations and act with the collective good in mind — depending on their deeper goals and values.

“Engaging in hierarchy conflict for prosocial reasons may occur less often than it does for pro-self reasons,” says van Knippenberg. “But when it does occur, it could be a more constructive force.”

The researchers created a theoretical model that predicts how these differences in motivation play out in practice. It predicts that when hierarchy conflict is motivated by a team member’s self-interest, it can lead to intense conflicts that are detrimental to team performance.

“When someone is trying to gain respect and recognition, they might challenge other team members or interrupt their peers,” says van Knippenberg. “Not only can that have a negative impact on team dynamics, it also limits the number of perspectives being expressed and how much information is actually being exchanged.”

But when hierarchy conflict is motivated by the team’s collective interest, the conflict itself tends to be a little more low-key. It is expressed more directly and less intensely, which could have the opposite effect, facilitating an exchange of ideas and increasing the flow of information between team members.

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Managing Hierarchy Conflict

For management to deal effectively with hierarchy conflict, it’s important to consider motivations so they can anticipate what effects there will likely be. While the study of hierarchy has grown in recent years, it tends to focus on its negative aspects.

“We wanted to add nuance to this conversation, and shift how scholars think about hierarchy conflict,” van Knippenberg says.

“When team members engage in this type of conflict for prosocial reasons, the effects might not be so bad. But it is also not the same as acting out of altruism. In the context of a team, the self is a part of the collective, and every team member benefits when the team achieves its goals. When a team member is primarily motivated by this shared outcome, it could create significant differences in how hierarchy conflicts play out.”

 

Schouten, van Knippenberg, and Greer (2024). “Hierarchy Conflict: Causes, Expressions, and Consequences,” Organization Science.


 

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